Data & Infrastructure (with Laura Forlano and Ranjit Singh) Annie Galvin (AG): Hello, and welcome back to Public Books 101, a podcast that turns a scholarly eye to a world worth studying. I’m Annie Galvin, an editor and producer at Public

So when we are on social media, it is a part of the combination of things that we continuously are a part of, and it is a part of our everyday life, and we need to accept it in a way where this is not something that is outside of us as Laura mentioned, it is a part of becoming this cyborg entity, which has desperately affected in a way, you know, it is different for different people in how it work. [...] The other aspect and India began with it, but at the same time dropped that as a reason to actually implement the biometric base system, and then went into the other way of thinking about the same problem, which is centered on social security, so the notion there is situated in the idea that there are certain parts of the population that need more support and welfare than other parts of the popula. [...] It requires some amount of literacy and the idea of navigating these systems and their interfaces in itself is a challenge, so there are a lot of these different issues that come up in basically living with these systems, and that is what I talk about in terms of thinking about what are the implications of these systems and then how they are experienced, and how that relationality to a certain ext. [...] LF: One of the things that we haven't quite mentioned, but it is definitely part of looking to the future is the ways in which a lot of these systems are of course embedded in specific companies' plans to upgrade and update the various systems, and so whether it is the biometric systems or medical devices or technologies that we use every day, social media or laptops, there is that inherent determ. [...] And that to a certain extent is also how we learn what are the metrics which we use in order to actually talk about these systems and their impact, and then simultaneously a way of constantly being aware of what the systems are doing in the real world, and keeping a track of them one way or the other, and I find that to be an important part of the ongoing resistance to such systems where we have t.